I’m appreciated this episode a lot. The ability to have frank, mature, and productive conversations about work about race, politics, and culture is something I used to have. I miss it, and appreciate when I can listen to or participate in those conversations
This episode was excellent and exactly the sort of thing I sub to SZD for. Near the end when the question came up about Deion’s Colorado run being the set up for the next thing I had one thought: a church. I would not be surprised at all if 10 years from now Deion is pastoring a large multi-racial non-denominational church with a team of associate pastors under him.
Finally got to listen to this episode and enjoyed it greatly. One note for Steven, who often has great insights to the cultures around the country from a resident of Boulder County: your stereotype of Boulder as a home for the performative white liberalism of a “hate has no home here” yard sign along side exclusionary zoning and NIBYism or, for that matter, Alex’s brilliant reduction of this to Patagonia (side note: can we talk about how heavy handed the Environmentalism of Patagonia’s branding is?) is not wrong but also greatly in need of nuance. There is much more rural-agrarian sensibility here than people realize. I concede that it is far from the dominant culture of the area, but this ethos is nonetheless underappreciated—this is still a western state, and one need not go far from campus to find mega churches and ranchers. Of course, you should’ve seen the elder white lady in gold sequined “coach prime” merch I ran into at a local farmer’s market last fall, so yeah you’re still right.
Great episode fellas. I thought we were gonna do critical studies when you started out with 'conversations about conversations' but the framework held up.
UC Boulder boosters I know have mostly given up the notion that Sanders will ever win anything, but they still consider the experiment an unqualified success. Even if this season is another flop, the 2025 draft process will be another showcase for the helmet, and intrigue over whether their QB goes 1/1 will distract them from wins/losses. The brand is de-winterized nationally, alumni/fans feel more connected than they have in ages, and they'll figure out what's next when the time comes. None will be surprised if that's in the calendar year 2024, and not because Sanders will have ascended to some loftier perch. Sanders got what he has needed for a decade: a refresh of his own brand, and an 8-figure balance sheet boost to help offset the divorce (and decline in his media/marketing earnings). The two sides used each other to positive effect, and are both probably happiest if they part before either side has to fulfill the bigger promises they've made.
It's kind of funny, the Mainstream CFB media has spent the last year or so criticizing the sport for making decisions not in the best long term interest of the sport, yet they often cover the sport in ways that aren't in the best long term interest of journalism because they get clicks. While it's probably only 20% of al fans that even read on line stories, if you are only promoting Colorado during the entire month of September because those stories are incredibly popular, you are taking away from the other teams in a sport where a full 1/3 of the season is focused mainly on the playoffs. If the Athletic or ESPN keep telling us that Colorado, realignment, and TV ratings are important because that's what gets the clicks, then eventually that's what we'll care about, not the games. The CBB regular season is much less popular than it was 15 years ago, and while writers would disagree, making Bracketology and therefore the NCAA tournament the most important part of every CBB conversation eventually leads people to think the regular season is less important.
My biggest criticism of Deion in general, on another topic, is that he seems to imply that he's always got some big transfers or recruits that we don't know about, yet it doesn't actually seem to ever happen.
It was a media creation that basically worked for the media's purpose (economic survival). And it will keep happening in dumber and dumber ways as they attempt to measure up to those comps.
Nobody wanted to look too critically at TCU because their title game run was fun, and Sonny Dykes is generous toward the media, and they have a wicked cool mascot. And also clicks!
Some % of those new fans from last season will hang around to defend the Sanders regime, while others are waiting to see the downfall. Still others will move on to whomever sports media anoints as the next New New Thing.
It's short term economic survival, though. There's only so much bandwidth in a 3 month CFB season, and if on third is Deion, one third is the CFP, and last season, one third is Connor Stallions, the rest of the country is kind of left out.
Guys I really appreciated this conversation. I’m mostly avoiding Deion content from the wide media base on this, but I figured you all were going to have a good conversation about it, and you all delivered. I appreciated staying in the lanes that Richard set out in order to frame the convo and enjoyed the bit of debate and discussion we heard.
This is very nit picky, but i can’t allow Richard to imply that the new big 12 defensive lines are *better* than former pac 12 defensive lines. As an ardent pac 12 defender, this is not acceptable. Colorado will be facing easier defensive fronts now, not harder.
Hey, James. Sorry this show didn't do it for you. I certainly don't think this was a show of "hot takes." Usually we wouldn't spend an hour and 20 minutes on the different conversations swirling around a team if we were trying to get off a scorcher. I am very interested in West Coast football and have been that way since before I moved to California last year. And we will continue to cover it. We also didn't talk about Midwestern ball in this ep, unless I'm misremembering.
I’m appreciated this episode a lot. The ability to have frank, mature, and productive conversations about work about race, politics, and culture is something I used to have. I miss it, and appreciate when I can listen to or participate in those conversations
This episode was excellent and exactly the sort of thing I sub to SZD for. Near the end when the question came up about Deion’s Colorado run being the set up for the next thing I had one thought: a church. I would not be surprised at all if 10 years from now Deion is pastoring a large multi-racial non-denominational church with a team of associate pastors under him.
Hey, glad you liked it. There would be CU-specific precedent for what you are outlining!
Pittsburgh is extremely not the East Coast
Finally got to listen to this episode and enjoyed it greatly. One note for Steven, who often has great insights to the cultures around the country from a resident of Boulder County: your stereotype of Boulder as a home for the performative white liberalism of a “hate has no home here” yard sign along side exclusionary zoning and NIBYism or, for that matter, Alex’s brilliant reduction of this to Patagonia (side note: can we talk about how heavy handed the Environmentalism of Patagonia’s branding is?) is not wrong but also greatly in need of nuance. There is much more rural-agrarian sensibility here than people realize. I concede that it is far from the dominant culture of the area, but this ethos is nonetheless underappreciated—this is still a western state, and one need not go far from campus to find mega churches and ranchers. Of course, you should’ve seen the elder white lady in gold sequined “coach prime” merch I ran into at a local farmer’s market last fall, so yeah you’re still right.
Thanks for the thoughtful feedback, Peter.
The Pitt fan in me now wants a Pitt Colorado Bowl Game souly for the post game handshake between Narduzzi and Deion
Great episode fellas. I thought we were gonna do critical studies when you started out with 'conversations about conversations' but the framework held up.
UC Boulder boosters I know have mostly given up the notion that Sanders will ever win anything, but they still consider the experiment an unqualified success. Even if this season is another flop, the 2025 draft process will be another showcase for the helmet, and intrigue over whether their QB goes 1/1 will distract them from wins/losses. The brand is de-winterized nationally, alumni/fans feel more connected than they have in ages, and they'll figure out what's next when the time comes. None will be surprised if that's in the calendar year 2024, and not because Sanders will have ascended to some loftier perch. Sanders got what he has needed for a decade: a refresh of his own brand, and an 8-figure balance sheet boost to help offset the divorce (and decline in his media/marketing earnings). The two sides used each other to positive effect, and are both probably happiest if they part before either side has to fulfill the bigger promises they've made.
It's kind of funny, the Mainstream CFB media has spent the last year or so criticizing the sport for making decisions not in the best long term interest of the sport, yet they often cover the sport in ways that aren't in the best long term interest of journalism because they get clicks. While it's probably only 20% of al fans that even read on line stories, if you are only promoting Colorado during the entire month of September because those stories are incredibly popular, you are taking away from the other teams in a sport where a full 1/3 of the season is focused mainly on the playoffs. If the Athletic or ESPN keep telling us that Colorado, realignment, and TV ratings are important because that's what gets the clicks, then eventually that's what we'll care about, not the games. The CBB regular season is much less popular than it was 15 years ago, and while writers would disagree, making Bracketology and therefore the NCAA tournament the most important part of every CBB conversation eventually leads people to think the regular season is less important.
My biggest criticism of Deion in general, on another topic, is that he seems to imply that he's always got some big transfers or recruits that we don't know about, yet it doesn't actually seem to ever happen.
It was a media creation that basically worked for the media's purpose (economic survival). And it will keep happening in dumber and dumber ways as they attempt to measure up to those comps.
Nobody wanted to look too critically at TCU because their title game run was fun, and Sonny Dykes is generous toward the media, and they have a wicked cool mascot. And also clicks!
Some % of those new fans from last season will hang around to defend the Sanders regime, while others are waiting to see the downfall. Still others will move on to whomever sports media anoints as the next New New Thing.
It's short term economic survival, though. There's only so much bandwidth in a 3 month CFB season, and if on third is Deion, one third is the CFP, and last season, one third is Connor Stallions, the rest of the country is kind of left out.
LONG time listener, first time watcher. It hits different. (Says the guy multiplying grey hairs for the hour). Keep it up boys!
Alex looks uncomfortably like OU strength coach Jerry Schmidt
Guys I really appreciated this conversation. I’m mostly avoiding Deion content from the wide media base on this, but I figured you all were going to have a good conversation about it, and you all delivered. I appreciated staying in the lanes that Richard set out in order to frame the convo and enjoyed the bit of debate and discussion we heard.
Lots of great discussion on Deion and being a black HC at CU. But no mention of Karl Dorell?
This is very nit picky, but i can’t allow Richard to imply that the new big 12 defensive lines are *better* than former pac 12 defensive lines. As an ardent pac 12 defender, this is not acceptable. Colorado will be facing easier defensive fronts now, not harder.
We are gonna need more people to stand up for the sanctity of the Pac-12 in death. "Gone but not forgotten" etc.
Hey, James. Sorry this show didn't do it for you. I certainly don't think this was a show of "hot takes." Usually we wouldn't spend an hour and 20 minutes on the different conversations swirling around a team if we were trying to get off a scorcher. I am very interested in West Coast football and have been that way since before I moved to California last year. And we will continue to cover it. We also didn't talk about Midwestern ball in this ep, unless I'm misremembering.